Curse

Coloneh · Sep 16, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

/signed

I didnt really notice on my dervish, but i started playing my ele a little a few days ago. it took me like half an hour to figureout why everything way dieing so slow, I was the only one attacking. even with all my heroes set to aggressive they wouldnt do anything.

wolfwing · Sep 16, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

Oh and on the comment about it being computing restrictions. Lets face it, I think everyone be happy with the hero AI being even on PAR with the fricking monster AI. Why is it that the mosnter AI can kick your butt at times, but they can't make hero's that do anything their told? It's like that one RTS game review I saw for a game that got like a 3.

The AI is either so stupid that it's got even remotly AI, or it's so intelligent that it can decide to ruse anything you tell it.

One thing that would help fix the AI alot, for a problem that hasn't really been addressed much is.

AI not using the skills you want, or using them in terrible priority. Like some signets don't get used, or they use them rarly. I don't know how many times I stick something like epidemic, or powerblock to help deal with bosses and such and notice it doesn't seem to help and then open their bar and notice they use it like once a fight, some times never.

sassoonssamson · Sep 20, 2007, 01:56 AM // 01:56

/signed

wonder why the AI in GWEN sucks

The worst is devona

She loves to aggro even if the enemies are not in radar

She managed to aggro the entire Jotun group alone and then decides to join us back with the whole group behind her and Its not random

Secondly, I am busy attacking killing and i notice that I am taking to many hits
I notice that the NPC AI is loitering around way back and they dont budge only way is to flag them

AI and even quests npc get stuck at all odd places and I have keep moving around to get them unstuck

There is a quest in norn territory wherin u get wolves to join u as allies 5 minutes late i find all the wolves stuck on the reseruction npc what thats

A11Eur0 · Sep 20, 2007, 04:35 AM // 04:35

I had Hayda get stuck on some white mantle seekers during the quest to get her in my party....wouldn't move no matter what I did. Had to fight through the raptors and Tyrrannuss's all over again to make sure she got there...

And now I have to worry about Vekk with cracked armor, weakness and blind not using epidemic on the hordes of Charr axe/blademasters in Rragar's? Ugh!

jezz · Sep 20, 2007, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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i know mhenlo isnt a hero......does anyone know what his attribute line is..cause his healing line seems some what short of being maxed out..if i recall HP is at 14...so i am forced to bring Dunkoro, he isnt bad but sometimes not all the time, just stands there with full energy and party dying...you have to actually tell him to heal..Zhed i found sux at Fire line...seems much better with Air or Water..just something i have found.

Gio · Sep 20, 2007, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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I had a problem with my heroes not using their skills when their energy was practically full. They need to be fixed as well as henchmen.

Nemo the Capitalist · Sep 20, 2007, 06:36 AM // 06:36

anet is Trapping the bots to play for the henchies

its the punishment for doing bot farming for 6 hrs

"Signet of Approval"

Phantomice · Sep 20, 2007, 09:02 AM // 09:02

/signed

The heros and henchies behavior is really bad since gwen came ot.

Endow Gee · Sep 20, 2007, 09:32 AM // 09:32

Today I was redoing frost maw cave for my book, Me Warrior, and along with me was Dunkuro (Monk), Zhed (Ele), Acoloty (Ele), and Henchmen Mhenlo (Monk), Lina (Monk), Eve (Blood) and Aiden (Interrupts).
Before I start the killing, I always FLAG my heroes & Henchmen behind me and away from my agro bubble and then I pull the first group.
It was then I notice the just right after I pull the first group, I flag all heroes and henchmen close enough to heal me and for ele’s to cast meteor shower to enemy. I noticed that none of my 3 monks was healing me and this was just the beginning (It happened several time as I continue the mission). So then I said to my self maybe their just not close enough to me. I start over again and do what I normally do. But this time, ZHED started running towards wurm and started casting meteor shower. LOL. I was like WTF! “Laughing” he then got owned! Rebirth him and move on. This happened to me about 5 times on my entire run healing and agro was weird.
My entire point for this is heroes and henchmen do act weird ever since GW: EN came out. I just hope anet fix this problem soon. I eventually finished the frost maw quest and beat the crap out of Kinslayer at the end with a reward of two (2) diamonds from the chest.
A.I. of Heroes and Henchmen was a little screw up, everyone just need to play it smart and not to agro enemy at close point.

Big_Iron · Sep 20, 2007, 01:00 PM // 13:00

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

I've submitted my screen and info to support, as I hope others have. So far, nothing from Anet.

Just an update. I submitted my ticket 5 days ago and, other than the initial automated response, I've gotten nothing from Anet/NCSoft. Hopefully, they're investigating.

Red-Tide · Sep 20, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

Numerous threads here on Guru have done nothing for this. Gaile and Andrew have completely ignored these threads.

I want to know why? Why can this not be addressed or even acknowledged?
Where the hell are the Anet peeps. How many "H/H AI IS Screwed " threads do we need to create? Honestly, seems to me that Anet customer relations peeps have been avoiding message boards since the release of GW:EN. The only way they respond is if you take a shot at customer service.

Sorry for shouting but

HOW ABOUT YOU JUST ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS A PROBLEM AND LET US KNOW IT IS BEING WORKED ON!

Zeph · Sep 20, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red-Tide

HOW ABOUT YOU JUST ACKNOWLEDGE IT IS A PROBLEM AND LET US KNOW IT IS BEING WORKED ON!

So true. Come on Anet, fix this already will you, ffs!

I've just had to switch GW off before I smashed the keyboard to bits. I wasn't even doing anything really tricky, just a few quests and a run down the cathedral of flames but the AI almost drove me over the edge. I don't know why I use the term AI because atm there is nothing at all intelligent about the way they are behaving.

Even whilst flagged 10 feet behind me they still randomly run straight past me and agro stuff before anything is targeted or called. (A good example of this can be seen in the cathedral of flames. At the part where you kill the mesmer boss to get the key, sit with your H/H 10-20 feet away from the boss' pack and wait for them to turn from green to red. The moment they turn red, the H/H will run straight at them and aggro them, before you can move or call a target).

If 1 melee enemy comes anywhere near them, mhenlo starts running around like a headless chicken, not healing anyone and often running into the pack of enemies where the melee came from. I swear at times that the H/H are spending more time running in circles than they are casting.

I am so sick of this, even simple questing feels like a a huge chore at times. I'm sure it would be easier looking after a bus full of school kids than a party of H/H atm. I so wish I could punch mhenlo in the face, I'd do it repeatedly until my fists bled I swear.

Oh, and before the trolls come out with the "H/H are only as good as the people controlling them" BS. I have legendary guardian and have vanquished both tyria and cantha... all achieved using H/H.

I know how to use heroes/hench... when they are usable that is.

Tarja · Sep 20, 2007, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Doing Vlocen Excavations with retarded Ai.. yes that was fun.

My ele hero, set on passive, ran right into the area where you face the Minion Master mini boss, where the Dredge have their little uprising and get massacred. He wasn't posted, wasn't set to attack ANYONE. And yet he runs right in, thinking he's a tank with mending and healing hands. We ended up leaving him there, and finished the dungeon without him.

Dunkoro and Talhk constantly stand around, not healing even when I make the commands for them to do so. Full energy, no enemies, just them standing around giggling while the rest of the party slowly dies from Degen

Olias/MoW/Eve standing around, not casting, even when commanded (heros). Fully energy, as well.

Another problem is with Devona (I never use Koss >_>). An enemy group isn't even in aggro range, and Devona screams her battle cry, and runs right into them, or she runs across the map in chase of an imaginary enemy.

The one that's been annoying me the most is the spellcaster AI, with teh tank behavior, or just not displaying any behavior other than that of a statue.

And that's not even half of it. The AI adjustment NEEDS to be fixed. If Anet wants us to pug with people, that's fine, but making the AI worse than rage quitters in RA is just plain wrong. It makes ME want to rage quit from a H/H team

ddust · Sep 20, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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My hero NORGU & casters get stupider as stones. I forced him to attack, and he just running around and not casting anything.

I manually click the skills, he dont even want to cast it even with full bar of energy. What a dumb AI. I put is mode on aggresive and he still running around and yawn, not even attacking. How much more can i take before i kick his sorry butt from doing this!

Red-Tide · Sep 20, 2007, 07:28 PM // 19:28

I did the unthinkable and sent Gaile a PM about this and linked all 3 active threads on this topic. Hopefully this will prompt a response, I'm not holding my breath though.

Fates · Sep 20, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Maybe this is how they correct the screw up that was/is heros. Hero's killed the social side of GW, everyone (read "the majority") just H/H now. Maybe they are thinking that if they make the H/H ai bad enough, people will go back to campaigning with real people.

For those pm'ing Gaile, good luck.

Red-Tide · Sep 20, 2007, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Well Fates Monk - If that is the case (them trying to encourage us PUGing again) I wish they would just say so. Doing anything in GW:EN with H/H is just an exercise in frustration at this point.

I can tough it out and make it work, but I'm burning through Clovers & Powerstones in dungeons where I SHOULD NOT need to use them. It's that or throw away 2 hrs and start again. Powerstones & Clovers are not cheap and in the past I would only use them to save myself redoing a long quest/mission etc.. Now it seems I need to keep them on hand at all times unless I want to re-do quests, all due to H/H suicide bombing.

edit - Another thing Fates, you may feel that the Heroes system was a mistake, but I think the majority of players found it to be one of the most important updates in GW. I was bored silly of GW till then, now I can play with team builds and do things the way I want to without elitist jerks telling me I have to play a certain build or way.

Fates · Sep 20, 2007, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by Red-Tide

Well Fates Monk - If that is the case (them trying to encourage us PUGing again) I wish they would just say so. Doing anything in GW:EN with H/H is just an exercise in frustration at this point.

That would mean A-Net admitting to making a mistake. Good luck with that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red-Tide

I can tough it out and make it work, but I'm burning through Clovers & Powerstones in dungeons where I SHOULD NOT need to use them. It's that or throw away 2 hrs and start again. Powerstones & Clovers are not cheap and in the past I would only use them to save myself redoing a long quest/mission etc.. Now it seems I need to keep them on hand at all times unless I want to re-do quests, all due to H/H suicide bombing.
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Yes, the AI is terrible. But if you're burning through clovers and powerstones H/H'ing, (sorry to be blunt but...) you're doing it wrong. Many people, myself included H/H'ed all of GWEN, without using one powerstone or clover. The only thing I couldn't H/H was Duncan (tried once and the H/H ai was too much to overcome).

That being said, I really wish they'd scrap heros and force people to group again. GW used to be so much more social.

Hero's and Titles killed the social aspect of GW. Grinding with H/H, fun fun fun!

Aethon · Sep 21, 2007, 01:30 AM // 01:30

Silence on behalf of Arena.net is an admission of guilt. Seriously. However, whether they're silently fixing it or ignoring it is unknown.

From my experience, the hero AI is much worse than henchman AI, lately. I was doing some missions near the end of Nightfall, and when I called targets just outside of aggression range, the henchmen would follow appropriately, but Heroes would just pick their nose, even while the henchmen were in the middle of fighting! (hitting and getting hit) In EotN it may be better sometimes to take just henchmen instead of heroes (for other chapters, the extra work of flagging heroes still makes up for henchmen mediocrity).

If you don't like that the game design favors automaton allies instead of humans, blame the game design, not the automatons. However, thinking about a world without heroes, you conjure horrible images of PUG grinding.

WasAGuest · Sep 21, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

Know what's strange? I've had no problems at all with the AI since EoTN was released. In fact, it was finally "FIXED" for me. All the things I've been reading about and hearing others say are happening have been happening to me since two weeks after NF... however, EoTN is released, the AI for me is back to being what it used to be... and what it should have been.

To clarify, my heroes are doing exactly what I tell them, no running off like idiots, no crazy aggro, healing when they should be, casting when they should be, no running in circles like complete jack asses, ect. They are finally working like they should be.

Now, I have to question (not the players, but Anet): What is causing the AI to act differently on the client end? I complained for months about broken freakin AI and was blown off and told to "learn to use the heroes"... yet now they are fixed for me... and here I see others now complaining about what I complained about back in November. What's up with your code Anet?